<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: S Corporation &#8211; Officer Wage Trap</title> <atom:link href="http://www.cpajohn.com/business-taxes/s-corporation-officer-wage-trap/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.cpajohn.com/business-taxes/s-corporation-officer-wage-trap/</link> <description>Tax &#38; Business Services</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:48:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: RJP</title><link>http://www.cpajohn.com/business-taxes/s-corporation-officer-wage-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-280</link> <dc:creator>RJP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:56:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cpajohn.com/?p=94#comment-280</guid> <description>My Partner and I have an S-Corp together.  We pay ourselves a salary of $120K each.  We had a profit this year of about $100K.  Our current Tax person advised we just pay ourselves a bonus of $50K each.  Looking at that paystub though we sent a large chunk out in Taxes.  Is this a case where doing a &quot;Distribution&quot; would perhaps have been a better idea?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Partner and I have an S-Corp together.  We pay ourselves a salary of $120K each.  We had a profit this year of about $100K.  Our current Tax person advised we just pay ourselves a bonus of $50K each.  Looking at that paystub though we sent a large chunk out in Taxes.  Is this a case where doing a &#8220;Distribution&#8221; would perhaps have been a better idea?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cpajohn</title><link>http://www.cpajohn.com/business-taxes/s-corporation-officer-wage-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link> <dc:creator>cpajohn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:06:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cpajohn.com/?p=94#comment-279</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-271&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Stuart Pumphrey&lt;/a&gt;,The determination of independent contractor versus employee is a complex issue beyond the scope of this post.I would refer you to this case:http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/918/918.F2d.90.89-35071.htmlAnd specifically this language contained within the case:&lt;blockquote&gt;Taxpayer also argues that Mr. Spicer could not be an employee because he was a common law independent contractor. In determining whether Mr. Spicer is an employee or an independent contractor, several factors we consider are whether the business furnishes the worker with tools and a place to work, and &quot;whether the work is performed in the course of the individual&#039;s business rather than in some ancillary capacity.&quot; General Investment Corp. v. United States, 823 F.2d 337, 342 (9th Cir.1987). We also consider whether the services performed &quot;constitute[ ] an integral part of taxpayer&#039;s business and [are] not incidental to the pursuit of a separately established trade or business.&quot; Westover v. Stockholder&#039;s Publishing Co., 237 F.2d 948, 952 (9th Cir.1956). 18We find that Mr. Spicer is not a common law independent contractor, because Taxpayer provided him with supplies and a place to work, and he performed accounting services for no other accounting firm. Moreover, Mr. Spicer&#039;s services were integral to the operation of Taxpayer, as he was the only accountant in the accounting concern, the only one who signed customers&#039; returns as preparer, the only one who performed financial planning for the firm, and the only one who audited clients&#039; books. 19Taxpayer also argues that in light of the Idaho Industrial Commission&#039;s determination that Mr. Spicer was an independent contractor, rather than an employee, for state employment tax purposes, the government is precluded from again raising the issue of Taxpayer&#039;s treatment of Mr. Spicer for federal employment tax purposes. Because the government was not a party, nor in privity with the State of Idaho, in the prior state administrative action, it is not bound by the Idaho State Industrial Commission&#039;s holding, and again could challenge Mr. Spicer&#039;s status for federal income tax purposes. See United States v. ITT Rayonier, Inc., 627 F.2d 996, 1000 (9th Cir.1980) (citing Parklane Hosiery Co. v. Shore, 439 U.S. 322, 326 n. 5, 99 S.Ct. 645, 649 n. 5, 58 L.Ed.2d 552 (1979)). Accordingly, we affirm the district court as to this issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The burden of proving independent contractor status based on the limited facts you have provided would appear to be difficult.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-271">@Stuart Pumphrey</a>,</p><p>The determination of independent contractor versus employee is a complex issue beyond the scope of this post.</p><p>I would refer you to this case:</p><p><a href="http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/918/918.F2d.90.89-35071.html">http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/918/918.F2d.90.89-35071.html</a></p><p>And specifically this language contained within the case:</p><blockquote><p>Taxpayer also argues that Mr. Spicer could not be an employee because he was a common law independent contractor. In determining whether Mr. Spicer is an employee or an independent contractor, several factors we consider are whether the business furnishes the worker with tools and a place to work, and &#8220;whether the work is performed in the course of the individual&#8217;s business rather than in some ancillary capacity.&#8221; General Investment Corp. v. United States, 823 F.2d 337, 342 (9th Cir.1987). We also consider whether the services performed &#8220;constitute[ ] an integral part of taxpayer&#8217;s business and [are] not incidental to the pursuit of a separately established trade or business.&#8221; Westover v. Stockholder&#8217;s Publishing Co., 237 F.2d 948, 952 (9th Cir.1956).<br /> 18</p><p>We find that Mr. Spicer is not a common law independent contractor, because Taxpayer provided him with supplies and a place to work, and he performed accounting services for no other accounting firm. Moreover, Mr. Spicer&#8217;s services were integral to the operation of Taxpayer, as he was the only accountant in the accounting concern, the only one who signed customers&#8217; returns as preparer, the only one who performed financial planning for the firm, and the only one who audited clients&#8217; books.<br /> 19</p><p>Taxpayer also argues that in light of the Idaho Industrial Commission&#8217;s determination that Mr. Spicer was an independent contractor, rather than an employee, for state employment tax purposes, the government is precluded from again raising the issue of Taxpayer&#8217;s treatment of Mr. Spicer for federal employment tax purposes. Because the government was not a party, nor in privity with the State of Idaho, in the prior state administrative action, it is not bound by the Idaho State Industrial Commission&#8217;s holding, and again could challenge Mr. Spicer&#8217;s status for federal income tax purposes. See United States v. ITT Rayonier, Inc., 627 F.2d 996, 1000 (9th Cir.1980) (citing Parklane Hosiery Co. v. Shore, 439 U.S. 322, 326 n. 5, 99 S.Ct. 645, 649 n. 5, 58 L.Ed.2d 552 (1979)). Accordingly, we affirm the district court as to this issue.</p></blockquote><p>The burden of proving independent contractor status based on the limited facts you have provided would appear to be difficult.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stuart Pumphrey</title><link>http://www.cpajohn.com/business-taxes/s-corporation-officer-wage-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link> <dc:creator>Stuart Pumphrey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:14:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cpajohn.com/?p=94#comment-271</guid> <description>Mr. Howes, I found this interested article of yours while researching self employment and S corporation tax options for a college paper I am writing.  I am writing on a real life situation I know of and it approaches this employment tax issue from a different direction.  My sister, her husband and a couple friends formed an S corporation to run a medical billing service for doctors.  In the end it has come to my sister doing all the work and she owns 55% of the stock so she has essentially full control of the business.  The issue with employment taxation is not that she underpays herself and tries to capture the rest as stick disbursement, quite the opposite.  She gives herself almost all of any left over profit after paying the company bills to herself.  She pays herself sporadically with no set amount over time.  She pays herself anywhere between $90,000 to $120,000 a year.  She also pays herself and reports her earnings on a 1099 as non-employee compensation.  What are your views of a S corporation officer doing the full work of the company for over twenty years now treating herself as an independent contractor rather than an employee of the firm? I am interested in you opinion, Thank you Stuart Pumphrey</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Howes,<br /> I found this interested article of yours while researching self employment and S corporation tax options for a college paper I am writing.  I am writing on a real life situation I know of and it approaches this employment tax issue from a different direction.  My sister, her husband and a couple friends formed an S corporation to run a medical billing service for doctors.  In the end it has come to my sister doing all the work and she owns 55% of the stock so she has essentially full control of the business.  The issue with employment taxation is not that she underpays herself and tries to capture the rest as stick disbursement, quite the opposite.  She gives herself almost all of any left over profit after paying the company bills to herself.  She pays herself sporadically with no set amount over time.  She pays herself anywhere between $90,000 to $120,000 a year.  She also pays herself and reports her earnings on a 1099 as non-employee compensation.  What are your views of a S corporation officer doing the full work of the company for over twenty years now treating herself as an independent contractor rather than an employee of the firm?<br /> I am interested in you opinion,<br /> Thank you<br /> Stuart Pumphrey</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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